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NPT City: Upper Valley traffic study, also known as the 20,000-saucer balancing act: Build roads, but don’t screw up the neighborhood

A couple of background pieces to help understand the big picture and the little picture and how they fit this blog posting:

Plan on it: On the Road to Santa Teresa, by Wayne Grinnell, posted April 10, 2008

Don’t pave the “country” out of Country Club Road, by Tom Scully, posted Jan. 12, 2009

Ok, now that you’ve done some contextualizing, follow the jump for information on an important meeting coming up.

Engineering Department
Contact: Julie Baldwin-Muñoz at 541-4987

2nd Joint LRC Meeting: Upper Valley Traffic Study
WHO: The Planning and Development Services &
Transportation Legislative Review Committees
WHAT: Will conduct a public meeting
WHEN: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 at 6:00 p.m.
WHERE: Zach White Elementary School
4256 Roxbury Drive, El Paso, TX 79922
WHY: Additional information and next steps with regard to the “Upper Valley Traffic Study” findings and recommendations will be provided by City staff. All interested individuals are encouraged to attend. Please see the attached agenda for more details.

For related information to include:
• A video of the January 14, 2009 Joint LRC Meeting
• Public comments and responses received
• Country Club Rd. right-of-way maps
• New Mexico and El Paso MPO Project Listing

Please visit:


1. Call to order and establish quorum.

2. Chair’s comments – purpose and format of the meeting.

3. Presentation by the City’s Engineering Department summarizing the “Upper Valley Traffic Study” conducted at the request of the City of El Paso, and the report findings and recommendations. [Engineering, R. Alan Shubert, (915) 541-4423]

4. Overview of the formal public comments and responses to the “Upper Valley Traffic Study” received at the Planning & Development LRC meeting held on January 14, 2009.
[Engineering, R. Alan Shubert, (915) 541-4423]

5. Discussion and action by the Planning & Development and Transportation Legislative Review Committees on the “Upper Valley Traffic Study” report findings and recommendations:

a. 2017 Levels of Service & Improvements
b. 2025 Levels of Service & Improvements
c. 2035 Levels of Service & Improvements
d. Other issues contained within the Upper Valley Traffic Study

6. Timeline and next steps on presentation of the “Upper Valley Traffic Study” report findings and recommendations to the City Plan Commission and the El Paso City Council.
[Engineering, R. Alan Shubert, (915) 541-4423]

Written by newspapertreeelpaso

March 13, 2009 at 1:43 pm

Posted in Uncategorized

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  1. it doesnt take a genius people and it doesnt take a 600 k study. take upper valley road and continue it all the way to sunland park road right along the drainage ditch. put another road on the east side of the drainage ditch also running parallel with the drainage ditch and upper valley. this would make upper valley road a four lane road from sunland park drive all the way to artcraft with the drainage ditch as your median. put a toll booth right past the turn to tennis west(i forget the road) and across from the 7-11 where everyone buys powerball. this would re-route all traffic of people going to santa t. using country club. they would either get off at sunland park or artcraft to hit macnutt. hey , if you want to live in santa t. and use country club then you pay a toll. either the toll or you block country club road from going any further than right after the turn to highway 260(i dont know the name of hwy 260). im pretty sure this is the state line. this would cut down the traffic on country club and you basically have created a loop with doniphan and upper valley road.

    there you are beto. thats free advice and it didnt cost us the taxpayers 600 k for consulting fees. maybe if you just asked the people in the valley and had a meeting on this subject maybe you wouldnt look like such a dumbass. what are they teaching up at princeton nowadays ? how to smoke dope from a bong without coughing and drinking the bong water ?


    March 13, 2009 at 2:26 pm

  2. Don’t give up your day job, deep. Traffic management is not in the cards for you. The ditch you desire as the median between Upper Valley Road and River Run doesn’t go all the way to Sunland Park Drive. It dumps into the Rio Grande. And your grand solution does nothing to address traffic between Doniphan and Upper Valley Road.


    March 13, 2009 at 2:51 pm

  3. I encourage anyone interested in what the options are to check out this presentation. its very informative:

    Personally I hope they approve the 80 ft row with hike & bike trails which is 4 lanes with a raised median turning lanes + the bike & hike trails along side.

    Look at the before and after renderings of each proposal and pay attention to current and future traffic counts as they relate to each plan, some of the lesser improvements do not even meet current traffic levels much less any future growth.


    March 13, 2009 at 5:37 pm

  4. doug, you must be one of the ones they paid 600 k. congrats and your right. you would need to jump the drainage ditch before sunland park. same principle though. upper valley to sunland park. the sunland park exits and artcraft are not nearly used enough to keep traffic off country club. force them to be used and country club will be used less.


    March 13, 2009 at 6:33 pm

  5. Rob, that presentation you posted is excellent. I did not realize how wide the existing right-of-way is, and cannot see how anyone could find reason to complain about the plan as shown in the final slides. If that can all fit within the existing right-of-way, then what leg do the NIMBYs have left to stand on?

    I may be confused, so anyone feel free to clear this up – the land within the right-of-way, is that actually city-owned, or does it just give the city extra leverage to buy out the land within the r-o-w without getting into eminent domain issues?


    March 16, 2009 at 8:05 pm

  6. I noticed that this is not the first time at all that you mention this topic. Why have you chosen it again?

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    April 15, 2009 at 9:25 am

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